IVAW have seized National Archives Building

[Blotto]

this is awesome. just plain awesome. "We The People" at its best.

The Iraq Veterans Against the War have boldly taken it upon themselves to speak out against the war in Iraq. Right now, five military veterans -- from Veterans for Peace -- are occupying a 35-foot high ledge at the National Archive Building and have raised a 22x8-foot banner reading, "DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION. ARREST BUSH AND CHENEY: WAR CRIMINALS!" The veterans currently risking arrest have declared their intention to stay on the ledge, fasting for 24 hours "in remembrance of those who have perished and those still suffering from the crimes of the Bush administration," according to a written statement.

On the ledge, the veterans have brought with them a portable PA system, and they are broadcasting recorded statements from prominent Americans for the impeachment and/or arrest of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney. Other impeachment activists are at the entrance of the National Archives distributing "Citizens Arrest Warrants" to those waiting in line.

This is the type of boldness that activists have displayed across the country to bring much-needed attention to this movement.

Please consider this before posting harsh opinions:

MAXIMUM EFFORT TO SECURE FULL CONSIDERATION OF IMPEACHMENT IS THE DUTY OF EVERYONE.

Impeachment is the means by which We The People of the United States and our elected representatives in Congress can prevent further crimes by the President and the human catastrophe they threaten and force accountability for crimes committed.

Congressional proceedings for impeachment can bring about open, fearless consideration of the most dangerous acts and threats ever committed by an American President. If courageously pursued, they can save our Constitution, the United Nations, the rule of law, the lives of countless people and leave open the possibility of peace on earth. Each of us must take a stand on impeachment now, or bear the burden of having failed to speak in this hour of maximum peril.

- - Ramsey Clark
January 15, 2003

[mulefeathers]

This has got to be one of the largest load of crap I have read today.  Arrest them now.  The constitution does guarantee the right to peaceable assembly it does not allow them to broadcast over a PS system.  There is no war crime.  Let's try to remember that every congressman supported the war until it was not popular.

[Blotto]

This has got to be one of the largest load of crap I have read today.  Arrest them now.  The constitution does guarantee the right to peaceable assembly it does not allow them to broadcast over a PS system.  There is no war crime.  Let's try to remember that every congressman supported the war until it was not popular.

you don't think there has been a single war crime committed by the Bush Administration? boy are you misled.

you think EVERY congressman supported (past and present) the war in Iraq? again, you are misled.


and just why might they not have the right to broadcast over a PA system? you have the right to broadcast your ideas and thoughts over the internet, on the radio, and even on TV. But these soldiers of FREEDOM don't have the right to dissent over a public broadcast system?

well, i suppose if you're a BUSH/CHENEY follower, I can see why you might feel that way.

[Blotto]

oh and by the way - the only justifiably conclusive reason why even MOST congressmen support (past and present) the war, is because they own STOCKS with the contractors of war!!

They're making profit gains by supporting ANY war.

Now, go do some homework.

[mulefeathers]

you don't think there has been a single war crime committed by the Bush Administration? boy are you misled.

you think EVERY congressman supported (past and present) the war in Iraq? again, you are misled.


and just why might they not have the right to broadcast over a PA system? you have the right to broadcast your ideas and thoughts over the Internet, on the radio, and even on TV. But these soldiers of FREEDOM don't have the right to dissent over a public broadcast system?

well, i suppose if you're a BUSH/CHENEY follower, I can see why you might feel that way.

Fact: The constitution says we all have the right to peaceable assembly.  It becomes disturbing the peace when it is broadcast in public.  One could even argue that they are infringing on the rights of those around them.  They would do better if the did take it to a medium such as TV, Radio, or Internet.  Right now they are just crazy.  They might get some credit if they did it he right way.

Fact: Never said I was a Bush fan.  Voted for him however have been very disappointed in his work as a president.

Fact: Never said every congressman supported the war said they all saw the same evidence.  The majority supported his actions.  Until it became convenient not to support the war.

Fact: I don't know if there was any war crimes.  But I would bet you rank up there with all the Bush haters that believe he is the cause of all the trouble in the US.  You nor anybody else can prove any crimes ever took place.  On a personal note if you consider extracting information from terrorist in what ever way possible a war crime then you are the mislead one.  I don't care what they have to do to get the information if it will save American lives.

Besides I would be really pissed if the congress went to all the expense to impeach someone who will be voted out of office in less than 50 days.

[mulefeathers]

oh and by the way - the only justifiably conclusive reason why even MOST congressmen support (past and present) the war, is because they own STOCKS with the contractors of war!!

They're making profit gains by supporting ANY war.

Now, go do some homework.

I am not going to do your research you made the statement.  I don't know if it true or not.  Post some creditable links to uphold this statement please.

[Blotto]

while I agree the way they're broadcasting their opinions is probably a last-minute bad judgment call, I still feel that they have the right to do so. Everybody else has the right to just keep walking and not pay any mind. It goes both ways.

i didn't and don't mean to turn this into an argument, but you DID write that "there is no war crime". you either know it, or you don't. AND you DID write that "every congressman supported the war until it was not popular".

[Blotto]

While we're on the subject of the Constitution and what it says, what it implies, or how it's interpreted or however you want to view it, the message of the First Ammendment is clear. For whatever reason, be it a religious cause, or for political, by however means, we have the right to dissent.

"Fact: It becomes disturbing the peace when it is broadcast in public."

It's only disturbing the peace, when after there have been enough complaints that a law enforcement agency decides to act. Otherwise, when does it become 'disturbing the peace' when bible-thumpers (religious cause?) pull out their PA system rigged pushcarts? Think about it.

"Fact: I don't know if there was any war crimes.  But I would bet you rank up there with all the Bush haters that believe he is the cause of all the trouble in the US.  You nor anybody else can prove any crimes ever took place.  On a personal note if you consider extracting information from terrorist in what ever way possible a war crime then you are the mislead one.  I don't care what they have to do to get the information if it will save American lives. Besides I would be really pissed if the congress went to all the expense to impeach someone who will be voted out of office in less than 50 days."

   

For the record, I'm not a Bush "hater". I am however a Republican and Democrat president disliker. I prefer and always have favored Independent parties. And yes, war crimes can be proven. After a diligent investigation by the proper authorities. But that won't happen everybody thought like you. If he's not impeached, he will ultimately be getting away with high crimes including murder. They're not being voted out of office. It's the end of their terms.

Did you know that in at least two towns in Vermont, there is an indictment against Bush and Cheney? If they so much as set foot in that town they face criminal charges. Read it here: http://abcnews.go.com/WaterCooler/wireStory?id=4385777

[Blotto]

don't mind me... i'm just having fun.

sorry to have offended anybody.