Ok its final October the 11th, if you want to car pool thats great just let me know robert. I already know daniel is riding with me, with two tanks. If you want to car pool I'd like to leave EARLY! About 4:30 that way we can get there when vortex first opens up. I'd like to get the first dive in when no one else is there but us. I know You'll bring the grass robert, I'll take care of the gas so that only means one thing for daniel, lol!